Difference between revisions of "User talk:FeralKitty"

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The Tilde

Thanks for alerting me. I've remixed the pinata and piñata words. --XP1 01:02, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

No problem. Been there, done that myself, which led to the tilde article. :) Thanks very much for all the spelling and grammar corrections, and rewrites! --FeralKitty 01:47, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Sub-pages

Feral how did you get that second user page thing with the Pinatas ordered by level? I could use a second page... - Kooper127 12:18, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Follow your name with a / and the page name, i.e. [[User:Kooper127/My_second_page]] --FeralKitty 13:21, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Can you delete some pages in my userspace?

I recently made several pages in my userspace, can you delete all but my main userpage please? The list of pages I want deleted is at http://pinataisland.info/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixindex&from=Ebany%2F&namespace=2 other than the two sandboxes. Thanks, Ebany 12:11, 4 September 2007 (EDT).

Sure. To confirm things, please supply the names of the two pages you don't want deleted, so there isn't any misunderstanding as to what stays and what goes. Thanks. --FeralKitty 06:39, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

Ok then, I now would like all but User:Ebany/Sand2 deleted. —Ebany 14:08, 7 September 2007 (EDT)

Thanks. —Ebany 07:30, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

Awesome

Hey FK!

I see you've been putting in tonnes of work here - that's awesome. Please do let me know if you need any help with anything. I'm pretty wise in the ways of the wiki. –xenocidic (talk) 23:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:Arctic - :Arctic species ?

Do you think it's worthwhile to make a subcat? Will there be vegetation that is confirmed to the arctic, for example, that might also need to be categorized? –xenocidic (talk) 02:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

There will be arctic (and desert) plants, and we'll most likely do categories for them -- we already have an old Category:Water Flower, for example. At the moment, arctic is a sub-category of species, and the plants are sub-categories of Category:Garden Piece. If there were enough arctic articles for a top-level, then it may be worth doing a top-level category, as we've done with/for Species. (Species used to be the category for the Classic species, when there was only one game in existence.)

Navbox-wise, though, we treat the plants as a single collective {{plants}} Navbox and that will probably remain that way at the bottom of their articles. I don't think we're going to break them down by game, as we now do species.

In general, I think I'm trying to stick to the KISS principle, not overcategorize, and mostly just fix things that need reorganizing to support multiple games, instead of trying to fix everything at once.

Since the time we've known about the new games, we've talked about reorganizing things, and a lot of changes that are being made are a result of that long and continuing reorg discussion. There's an old User:FeralKitty/Reorg document that hasn't been updated in ages. It mostly lists what we want to fix, but not what has (exactly) been decided, since then. --FeralKitty 03:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok. {{VP2}} will add the article to Category:Trouble in Paradise, which should help us focus on the new stuff once the game hits. {{div}} can be used to more easily do those different tabbing boxes. basically if I start doing stuff that is running counter to how you guys have already planned, just let me know. I'll go over that reorg doc now. could you tweak your sig to include a link to your talk page? also, feel free to reply wherever a conversation starts rather than bouncing back and forth. –xenocidic (talk) 03:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

div documentation

{{div}} documentation is done. =) –xenocidic (talk) 14:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks much! :) --FeralKitty (talk) 14:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Linking to tabs

{{link}} now works, unfortunately the bold of the page you're on seems to break. (Test it out on the first two species of Template:Species-TroubleInParadise-Standard) I think it's an unfortunate tradeoff for the convenience of linking to tabs. What do you think of renaming the species-standard to just #Trouble in Paradise ? it would make things a little easier for internal link purposes, and the default target for the link template would be Trouble in Paradise so that people wouldn't have to supply a paramater to link to an article or species from VP2. –xenocidic (talk) 15:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

We'd be trading one annoyance for another annoyance. I know I definitely utilize bold to see where I am, without having to glance elsewhere. There's no solution that lets both work? As for renaming, are you talking about the tab (i.e., TiP - Standard -> Trouble in Paradise)? We use that tab label already for tabs that apply to both modes. I would think it would be confusing to mix conventions, wouldn't it? --FeralKitty (talk) 15:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

There might be a workaround, I can perhaps ask my wiki-wiz friend over at en.wiki if he can think of a better way. But if not, I think the convenience of linking directly to tabs outweighs the bold, at least for our readers.

As for the renaming, yes... I think the "Jff" tab is pretty self-explanatory what it's for, and I *think* most readers I think will be looking for standard information... (the just for fun crowd doesn't strike me as the wiki-crawling type). it's intuitive that "Trouble in Paradise" (just so) in terms of an article will apply to both , in terms of a species, will be standard and "Just for fun species information" disambiguates it. Not sure if I'm making sense. in any case, it makes linking directly to tabs a lot easier and with parameters to remember. –xenocidic (talk) 15:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

We use the convention in numerous places. Are we talking about dropping - Standard from, say, Navbox titles too, to be consistent with the tab? Also, how do you distinguish between a "Trouble in Paradise" tab that only applies to Standard, and a "Trouble in Paradise" tab that applies to both modes? Doesn't that create an ambiguity?

Having an either/or/both trinary also gave us the most flexibility for the style sheets. I'm not sure that we should move from a more flexible capacity to a more limited capacity. Still, I'll leave it up to Jim to see what he thinks. --FeralKitty (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll defer to yours and Jim's judgment on this one - I haven't gotten my feet wet enough to understand quite where the confusion would lie. I haven't been keeping up enough to know exactly what jff entails. –xenocidic (talk) 16:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• woot new and improved link, now with 100% more bolding of the current article! does that work for ya? see Template:Link =) –xenocidic (talk) 17:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Kudos to you and/or your friend for the solution! :) Once we modify the style to match the internal link colors (so they appear as local links to visitors), that can be put to bed. I shall be grateful, every time I click on one of those links now. Well done! --FeralKitty (talk) 17:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I worked it out without thingg-vention but I'll try to get him over here anyway, he's an absolute genius with stuff like that. I can tuck the color that in the span tag, what's the correct color? –xenocidic (talk) 17:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

a {color: #002bb8;} a:visited {color: #5a3696;} a:active {color: #faa700;} --FeralKitty (talk) 18:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

moving on

Can we start discussing stuff mostly on wiki? –xenocidic (talk) 17:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Just please let me reply instead of pasting my replies from elsewhere. It's a bit bothersome to try to save and find out that you've replied for me in the meantime :) --FeralKitty (talk) 18:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Italics would work to highlight the new species in the navboxes. –xenocidic (talk) 17:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, you're talking about Template:Species ? i like the "Types" division ... i think it's ok. I'm wondering exactly why we have to seperate "just for fun" species. won't they behave basically the same except not getting sick and such? –xenocidic (talk) 17:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Just for Fun is also meant for younger gamers. It has fewer pinatas, and their requirements are simpler/easier to complete than the same species in Standard mode. -feralkitty (forum msg)

k, that explains why we need the two different tabs and navboxes then. –xenocidic (talk) 18:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd still like to categorize all new gameplay elements and mechanics. What if we rename "{{VP2}}" to {{New in TIP}} and it categorizes things into Category:Introduced in Trouble in Paradise or something like that ? –xenocidic (talk) 17:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's try out the italics to start, and hold off on a new category for now. Perhaps a simple solution of just listing out the "new" ones in the cat's article would work just fine, for curious folk. -feralkitty (forum msg)

k, sounds good. –xenocidic (talk) 18:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

We actually wouldn't have to list anything. Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that, as the cat's art has the Navbox, which has the italicized names. Wouldn't that be clear enough? --FeralKitty (talk) 18:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, yep, that should be enough. Should I go ahead with tweaking the navboxes with the link template? –xenocidic (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

naming conventions

Should we move {{VP2}} to {{TIP}} then? If we want to not use VP2 in favor of TIP... –xenocidic (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

As I just wrote elsewhere, let's hold off on renaming things, and get the spec done. Once we agree on something that's uniform and robust enough to support both our needs across all namespaces and for classes and idents, then we'll have the answer for the correct template name to use. Sound good? --FeralKitty (talk) 19:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

OK

OK everything is cleaned up. VP2 was renamed to TIP because we shouldn't use VP2 as an acronym. I also think we should discourage camel case in all cases, either "TIP" for the start of a category or template name and "tip" when it's in a class, as it is now. "TiP" should never be used and we should also not have "Tips" for gamers, we should have "Hints".

anyhow, rather than working at cross purposes how about you tell me what is high on our priority list and I can work on that. –xenocidic (talk) 12:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

You'd have to speak with Jim, if you feel "TiP - Standard" is an inappropriate tab label. I think it's been conventional use on the forum, though, and that people recognize the meaning of TiP in a forum post.

Since I already use tip for styles and TroubleInParadise for template names, that's not a problem. I do think, though, that a template name should be spelled out full, as I'll explain. To be frank about using tip in classes (instead of spelling it out), there's much more likelihood of future game conflicting with those three letters, than if we used the full name, however, it's a reasonable trade off so the class names aren't absurdly long.

I'm more concerned about using TIP outside of classes, alone, as in {{TIP}}. I think acronyms will run into the same problem as JfF (or JFF as you prefer). We should avoid using terse names for categories or templates that might conflict with future terse names.

I think template names should be "sortable/groupable," similar to a list of image names. If we start all Quackberry pics with "Quackberry"..., then it's easy to spot all of them, and/or see if any are missing or misnamed.

So, my suggestion would be to do {{Category-TroubleInParadise}} for a template that transcludes the "Trouble in Paradise" category. It would make it easier to both spot all the category-transcluding templates, and also recognize what the template did. Surely that would be easier to maintain, edit, and/or organize than a variety of {{TIP}}, {{Arctic species}}, {{VPC}}, ... templates throughout the template namespace.

I think there's a difference between a tip and a hint. A tip is an outright piece of information or advice, where a hint is an indirect suggestion without necessarily giving the full details. But, I'm going to leave that up to Jim if he wants to change the sidebar wording.

As for something that would be very helpful, and based on your idea/contribution, I would love to see all the hardcoded categories get replaced by transcluded categories. I think that's an excellent suggestion/approach that you're recommending. How do you feel about making templates for every existing category (but with slight adjustments)? I think the types like Category:Evolved should end up in a template called {{Category-EvolvedSpecies}} instead of {{Evolved}} or {{Category-Evolved}}. I'm not suggesting we also change the category names at the same time, just that we use better-qualified template names to match what the categories probably should have been called. That way, we can support a future {{Category-Arctic}}, as you had suggested, if we decide that a top-level category is needed to hold arctic articles and sub-categories.

If you could make them up, but let me know before you transclude them, I'd like to take a quick glance at them first, please.

How's that sound? --FeralKitty (talk) 13:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

That sounds good. Can we shorten it to just {{Cat-EvolvedSpecies}} {{Cat-}} or something? –xenocidic (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you look at User:Xenocidic#Div codes for tabs/formatting and tell me if I'm missing anything? Is there a jff article div code? –xenocidic (talk) 13:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I can glance at it in a bit, but I need to get back to the plants stuff and make some more progress first. Those articles need to get done by today, so most of my attention needs to be there. --FeralKitty (talk) 13:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I've re-purposed div, by the way. It should be more useful and less resource intensive - instead of a switch it just accepts the class name and puts it in. defaults to a TIP article so you can just use subst:div to create the tab for a TIP article. As it is now, it will only create tabs though, perhaps it should be renamed to "tab". –xenocidic (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)