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| − | OK everything is cleaned up. VP2 was renamed to TIP because we shouldn't use VP2 as an acronym. I also think we should discourage camel case in all cases, either "TIP" for the start of a category or template name and "tip" when it's in a class, as it is now. "TiP" should never be used and we should also not have "Tips" for gamers, we should have "Hints".
| + | Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}, and welcome to {{SITENAME}}! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: |
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| − | anyhow, rather than working at cross purposes how about you tell me what is high on our priority list and I can work on that. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 12:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
| + | If you're already familiar with wiki editing, feel free to refer to our [[PinataIsland.info:Style_guide|Site-specific Style guidelines]] for specific site style conventions. |
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| − | : You'd have to speak with Jim, if you feel "TiP - Standard" is an inappropriate tab label. I think it's been conventional use on the forum, though, and that people recognize the meaning of TiP in a forum post.
| + | <div class="pii_gameplay_tip">To include information about your [[Xbox Live]] gamertag on [[User:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|your User page]] add the markup below: |
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| − | : Since I already use tip for styles and TroubleInParadise for template names, that's not a problem. I do think, though, that a template name should be spelled out full, as I'll explain. To be frank about using tip in classes (instead of spelling it out), there's much more likelihood of future game conflicting with those three letters, than if we used the full name, however, it's a reasonable trade off so the class names aren't absurdly long.
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| − | : I'm more concerned about using TIP outside of classes, alone, as in {{tl|TIP}}. I think acronyms will run into the same problem as JfF (or JFF as you prefer). We should avoid using terse names for categories or templates that might conflict with future terse names.
| + | Substitute your Gamertag in place of ''XXXXXX''. If you have any spaces in your Gamertag, you must use a plus symbol '+' instead of the spaces.</div> |
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| − | : I think template names should be "sortable/groupable," similar to a list of image names. If we start all [[Quackberry]] pics with "Quackberry"..., then it's easy to spot all of them, and/or see if any are missing or misnamed.
| + | I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! |
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| − | : So, my suggestion would be to do {{tl|Category-TroubleInParadise}} for a template that transcludes the "Trouble in Paradise" category. It would make it easier to both spot all the category-transcluding templates, and also recognize what the template did. Surely that would be easier to maintain, edit, and/or organize than a variety of {{tl|TIP}}, {{tl|Arctic species}}, {{tl|VPC}}, ... templates throughout the template namespace.
| + | Hey xenocidic, I'm glad to see you poking around here. I'd love to hear any of your opinions and suggestions for cleaning up and organizing our content better. --[[User:Jimmcq|Jimmcq]] 21:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | : I think there's a difference between a tip and a hint. A tip is an outright piece of information or advice, where a hint is an indirect suggestion without necessarily giving the full details. But, I'm going to leave that up to Jim if he wants to change the sidebar wording.
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| − | : As for something that would be very helpful, and based on your idea/contribution, I would love to see all the hardcoded categories get replaced by transcluded categories. I think that's an excellent suggestion/approach that you're recommending. How do you feel about making templates for every existing category (but with slight adjustments)? I think the types like [[:Category:Evolved]] should end up in a template called {{tl|Category-EvolvedSpecies}} instead of {{tl|Evolved}} or {{tl|Category-Evolved}}. I'm not suggesting we also change the category names at the same time, just that we use better-qualified template names to match what the categories probably should have been called. That way, we can support a future {{tl|Category-Arctic}}, as you had suggested, if we decide that a top-level category is needed to hold arctic articles and sub-categories.
| + | Hi xenocidic, nice to see you here :) --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 21:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
| | + | :Thanks for the welcome and the rights. admining on en.wiki keeps me busy, but I poked around a little bit the other day. I need to do some more digging to see how we can improve. I also heard the demo should be out any day now. I'm stoked! =) –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 22:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | : If you could make them up, but let me know before you transclude them, I'd like to take a quick glance at them first, please.
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| − | : How's that sound? --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 13:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
| + | I'm talking with Jim about how to bring you into our site conventions discussion. We mostly dialog off the wiki, since it's primarily been the two of us making changes, so there aren't many talk pages here that reflect current thoughts. There is some merit to having discussions here, so they're available to the community as a whole, allowing others contribute suggestions or options. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 02:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | ::That sounds good. Can we shorten it to just {{tl|Cat-}} like {{tl|Cat-EvolvedSpecies}} or something? or {{tl|CAT-}}?. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 14:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC) | + | :Sure, that would help. Maybe develop a [[Help:Manual of style]] or something. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 02:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | ::: Is there a significant advantage to the shorter name, besides being easier to type? It just seems less readable to me. | + | ::There's an old [[PinataIsland.info:Style guide|style guide]] that's low on my list of priorities. By the way, do you have a forum account? I wanted to share some template issues with you. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 03:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | ::: We didn't abbreviate the classes -- it's species-tip-content, not spec-tip-cont -- or other template names, so I'm not convinced yet that we should abruptly switch to a different style mid-stream. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 14:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC) | + | :::Yes, same name. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 03:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ===categories=== | + | ==Tab links for testing== |
| − | Here are the proposed templates, example being the evolved one that's already created
| + | *{{link|Arocknid|vp}} (vp) |
| | + | *{{link|Arocknid}} (vp2) |
| | + | *{{link|Arocknid|jff}} (vp2-jff) |
| | + | *{{link|Arocknid|vpp}} (pocket paradise) |
| | + | *{{link|Arocknid|tv}} (tv show) |
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| − | <nowiki>[[Template:CAT-Species-Arctic]]
| + | ;To thingg! |
| − | [[Template:CAT-Species-Aquatic]]
| + | Hey dude... Thanks for helping. anwyays, see the below thread that's been copied here. what we're trying to do is link directly to tabs (i.e. the tab links above) but still have it bold the page that you're on in the navbox. Any brights ideas? i created {{tl|link}} because {{urlencode: didn't seem to help with [[plain internal links with#tab=because of the equals sign]] that gets mangled in the linking.. i.e. [[Arocknid#tab=TiP_-_Standard]] (piped to simply Arocknid) would be ideal, but see what happens to the equals sign? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 16:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | [[Template:CAT-Species-Cryptid]] | |
| − | [[Template:CAT-Species-Domestic]] | |
| − | [[Template:CAT-Species-Evolved]] | |
| − | [[Template:CAT-Species-Flying]] | |
| − | [[Template:CAT-Species-Nocturnal]]
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| − | [[Template:CAT-Species-Sour]]</nowiki>
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| − | This way they can be sorted properly and it's easier to type rather than Category-EvolvedSpecies. I also think typing category out in full could lead to confusion - is it a template or a category? Let me know before I go ahead though, rather than having to rename them if you still want them to say Category in full. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 14:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :: That's a '''much''' nicer sort order, and also fits '''much''' better with the -qualifier convention. Awesome suggestion!
| + | ;refactored convo for backstory |
| | + | also ,i suppose there's no way to have an internal wikilink preload the proper tab display ?, i.e. if I'm viewing TIP standard and I click a different species it may load into the "VP1" tab...it would be nice if it automagically loaded the VIP-standard tab. -xenocidic (forum msg) |
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| − | :: I think I still would like to spell it out in full, please. Human-readable names are simply easier to read than something like CAT-Spec-Fly. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 14:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
| + | Yeah, you noticed that too. I found it annoying to have to tab back to the right game. It's not possible with an internal wikilink as the parser mangles the =. It has to be written as a fullurl, which we could do, and just suppress the external link icon. Would be a nice thing to fix if we had time. Do fullurls break the "bold [[...]] if you're viewing that article" feature? I'd hate to lose that. -feralkitty (forum msg) |
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Species-Arctic]]
| + | {{tl|link}} now works, unfortunately the bold of the page you're on seems to break. (Test it out on the first two species of [[Template:Species-TroubleInParadise-Standard]]) I think it's an unfortunate tradeoff for the convenience of linking to tabs. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 15:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | *[[Template:Category-Species-Aquatic]]
| + | : We'd be trading one annoyance for another annoyance. I know I definitely utilize bold to see where I am, without having to glance elsewhere. There's no solution that lets both work? --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 15:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | *[[Template:Category-Species-Cryptid]]
| + | ::There might be a workaround, I can perhaps ask my wiki-wiz friend over at en.wiki if he can think of a better way. But if not, I think the convenience of linking directly to tabs outweighs the bold, at least for our readers. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 15:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | *[[Template:Category-Species-Desert]]
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Species-Domestic]]
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Species-Evolved]]
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Species-Flying]]
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Species-Nocturnal]]
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Species-Sour]]
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| − | :K, they're ready to roll. just give me the go-ahead. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 14:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :: I just noticed that [[:Category:Desert]] is missing. Other than that, everything looks great, so go for it :) This is '''very helpful and useful''' to the Reorg and future-proofing, thanks! --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 15:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :::Ok, doing now. I must apologize, I am starting to see the big picture and understand where you are trying to go with all this. I just like complicated templates so much but yesterday was definitely pretty nonproductive! =) –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 15:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ====renaming the species categories==== | + | == - vs clear == |
| − | OK, pretty sure the species are all taken care of. the categories themselves should probably be renamed to [[:Category:Species - Evolved]] or something of the sort but no rush on this because it's just 1 change in the templates. Do we want a top level template {{tl|Category-Species}} to put onto the categories, or is putting [[:Category:Species]] enough?
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| − | The platform categories should be renamed in line with the above, i.e. [[:Category:Species - Classic]], [[:Category:Species - Trouble In Paradise]]. Thoughts? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 16:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
| + | I would appreciate it if we would clear floats in a consistent manner within articles. It seems a bit absurd to see |
| | + | :<nowiki>{{-}}</div></div></nowiki> |
| | + | in your tabbed articles, when 99% of the other articles do it via {{tl|clear}}, as you know. |
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| − | : Great, thanks for taking care of them! As far as actually renaming them, I think there are a couple of things to consider:
| + | If there's a "better" way to do something, let's discuss it, by all means, and then improve '''existing''' templates in use, instead of introducing multiple alternate templates/markup to do almost the same thing. We really don't need to maintain two sets of code and two sets of markup. (I'm aware of the inline vs. block difference.) |
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| − | :# The readability of the Category footer. I'm not sure we want it to get too wordy, too long, or too "backwards." Species - Evolved may work find for a sort order, but it's probably not something that a human needs to see, when reading the footer. I don't even know if I'd want to flip it in readable order, and force people to read "species" repeatedly (e.g. [[Sherbat]] would be Categories: Classic species | Trouble in Paradise species | Pocket Paradise species | Flying species | Nocturnal species | Sour species). While I like consistency, it's also a bit long and a bit repetitive. It would be a tough call, and I'm definitely going to let Jim decide that one, if he'd want to change them.
| + | 'Four characters less to type' does not justify its existence. I'm going to (spend my time to) clean up the few articles that use {{tl|-}} and then remove it from the template namespace. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 02:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | :# Consistency elsewhere. We'd have to go through everything -- templates, articles, etc. and change old visible references to new references. (Sure a #REDIRECT would handle that but I'm not keen on leaving wrong visible references out there. Still, not a big deal, but we've got more important things to do still, and editing articles to "fix" category names would take time away from others issues that require more attention.)
| + | :um that's fine. {{tl|-}} is just what I'm used to. what do you think about {{tl|divclear}} ? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 02:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | | + | **guess you don't like it too much. next time there's some code out there that you want changed, let me know, rather than spending your time replacing it. i'd rather you were doing whatever it is that needs to be done. what's next? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 03:09, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
| − | : I think the important thing, like you said, is that they can now be changed, easily, if they had to.
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| − | : As for doing Category:Species or the platform ones, I'd say they're not worth the overhead, and there's no benefit. I don't expect us to change any from one name to another, so I wouldn't do anything with/for those categories. I think they should definitely stay in readable order, so the sub-categories on [[:Category:Species]] match the articles, and everything is intuitive. (We don't call the article ''Species - List of Classic'' or ''List of Species - Classic'', so why flip the categories?)
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| − | : Again, if Jim happens to feel differently, they could be done later, but why do them in advance, if it turns out that there was no need to change them. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 17:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | moving onto plants, they should probably be organized hierarchically the same way. so the top level would be simply "Plants"
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Plants-Flower]]
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| − | , with additional categories for terrain , if necessary
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Plants-Aquatic]]
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Plants-Arctic]]
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| − | *[[Template:Category-Plants-Temperate]] (is that the right word?)
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| − | Thoughts? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 16:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | : I agree that the plants should be ordered the same way, and since the new Infobox and div container is plant, it all works well. Why don't you go ahead and set those up, please. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 17:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::Excellent points above on the renaming of categories. Question, then, what should the plant terrain categories be called (or are they necessary)?
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| − | how about
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| − | *[[:Category:Aquatic plants]]
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| − | *[[:Category:Desert plants]]
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| − | *[[:Category:Arctic plants]]
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| − | *[[:Category:Temperate plants]] (and I don't know if we should be using "Temperate" it's technically correct but our readers might not know what that means) –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 17:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | : We already have a very poorly named [[:Category:Water Flower]] which I will happy to see renamed, even if merely to change it to Water flower. :p Honestly, though, this is a bit of a harder question. As much as I hate to say pluralize it, technically the others "sound" plural (i.e. arctic species) :p Still, even if it's a bit improper to do, it "reads" better. If I had Arctic, Arctic species, and Arctic plant on a page, the last would stick out like a sore thumb. Anyway, it's inside a template, so it's not like we're locked into one thing or the other. If Jim or you or I come up with a better idea, we can change it easily. Let's just go with the plurals for now.
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| − | : As for temperate, if you're not sure about it, maybe ask Jim when he's back. I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other, and he might have a better feeling as to whether it's useful and/or what you might want to call it. (It's really an "odd" category, since it's more of a non-arctic/non-desert set, but I don't know if it would be confusing or not.) --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 17:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::Well, will "temperate" plants work in the arctic or the desert? if so it might just be best to call the "Normal plants", or something. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 18:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Possibly not. Plants have a specific terrain type where they want to be planted, so you may not be able to plant a non-arctic seed in the snow.
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| − | ::: Again, temperate is more of a collection/set, as opposed to a type, which is what the rest of the plant cats are. Let's just let Jim decide. I can't give you a good answer as to whether it should be a category or not. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 18:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Ok, I'm going ahead with the rest, I won't bother with adding the temperate template for now. I guess we can just let readers know that if it's not an arctic or a desert plant, it goes in grass or soil, and it won't go in the arctic or the desert. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 19:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::::: Please trust me when I say that we don't need a Template for [[:Category:Plants]]. There's already a mechanism in place to handle this. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 19:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | *Do we still want them categorized in "Garden piece"? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 19:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | : Yes, because plants are a subset of [[:Category:Garden Piece]]. I think Jim wants to overhaul that category/article, although I can't remember what his specific complaint was. Why don't you go ahead and add your new top-level category and its sub-categories to the [[Site Map]] (below the species please). --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 19:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::Like [http://pinataisland.info/index.php?title=Site_Map&diff=19054&oldid=18124 this] ? What's next? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 20:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Yes, that's great, thanks! --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 20:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | Thank you for tabbing the shops. It's appreciated. Perhaps check for other articles with missing tabs (besides the plants), or see if we've overlooked any other things that need to be done for the game release.
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| − | Outside of that, write some cat art or other {{tl|stub}} content? Make proposals for improving existing templates? Design a better-looking (but not more complex) Infobox? --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 03:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :What about deprecating the tree/bush/flower infoboxes and moving to PlantInfobox? Is that ready to be done yet? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xenocidic|<font color="black">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 10:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hey xenocidic, I'm glad to see you poking around here. I'd love to hear any of your opinions and suggestions for cleaning up and organizing our content better. --Jimmcq 21:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm talking with Jim about how to bring you into our site conventions discussion. We mostly dialog off the wiki, since it's primarily been the two of us making changes, so there aren't many talk pages here that reflect current thoughts. There is some merit to having discussions here, so they're available to the community as a whole, allowing others contribute suggestions or options. --FeralKitty 02:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey dude... Thanks for helping. anwyays, see the below thread that's been copied here. what we're trying to do is link directly to tabs (i.e. the tab links above) but still have it bold the page that you're on in the navbox. Any brights ideas? i created {{link}} because {{urlencode: didn't seem to help with plain internal links with#tab=because of the equals sign that gets mangled in the linking.. i.e. Arocknid#tab=TiP_-_Standard (piped to simply Arocknid) would be ideal, but see what happens to the equals sign? –xenocidic (talk) 16:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
also ,i suppose there's no way to have an internal wikilink preload the proper tab display ?, i.e. if I'm viewing TIP standard and I click a different species it may load into the "VP1" tab...it would be nice if it automagically loaded the VIP-standard tab. -xenocidic (forum msg)
Yeah, you noticed that too. I found it annoying to have to tab back to the right game. It's not possible with an internal wikilink as the parser mangles the =. It has to be written as a fullurl, which we could do, and just suppress the external link icon. Would be a nice thing to fix if we had time. Do fullurls break the "bold ... if you're viewing that article" feature? I'd hate to lose that. -feralkitty (forum msg)
I would appreciate it if we would clear floats in a consistent manner within articles. It seems a bit absurd to see
If there's a "better" way to do something, let's discuss it, by all means, and then improve existing templates in use, instead of introducing multiple alternate templates/markup to do almost the same thing. We really don't need to maintain two sets of code and two sets of markup. (I'm aware of the inline vs. block difference.)
'Four characters less to type' does not justify its existence. I'm going to (spend my time to) clean up the few articles that use {{-}} and then remove it from the template namespace. --FeralKitty (talk) 02:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
