Template talk:File information
Discussion moved from Template talk:PVI
In line with the other categorizing templates, this should be renamed and we should think about how images are going to be categorized.
What do you think of the following?
- {{Image-Classic}}
- {{Image-TroubleInParadise}}
- {{Image-TIP-Pinata Vision}} (renamed from PVI) existing Category:Piñata Vision image
- (so other possibilities are)
- {{Image-TIP-Species}}
- {{Image-TIP-Plants}}
- ... (etc)
- {{Image-PocketParadise}} existing Category:Pocket Paradise screenshot
- {{Image-TV}}
They could either be categorized broadly i.e. into Category:Trouble in Paradise or more narrowly Category:Images-Trouble in Paradise-Species (child category of Category:Images & Category:Images-Trouble in Paradise). In either case, if we create the templates and start tagging the images appropriately, then we can categorize as broadly or narrowly as we want to in the future. I know you said not to go crazy with categorization but deciding how to do this now, before the thousands of images get uploaded, is probably a good idea. At the very least, the templates can all be created and simply categorize them very broadly for now into the top level TIP category. –xenocidic (talk) 15:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- I've seen this. I chose not to comment on it, as it did not seem to be a need or a priority. When Jim's around, I'll speak with him, but I honestly don't see how it would be practical to present hundreds and hundreds of images in a media gallery. I don't expect people to navigate or search that way. If someone is looking for a specific plant or species image, I would expect them to go directly to that plant or species article.
- You have to remember that each species will have three wildcards, and three variants, so that's a minimum of seven images PER species x 92(?) species. Toss in a few extra images for Flutterscotches and sours, and you're at 665 species images alone, just for one game. How are you going to navigate that? What if you don't want to see the variants? If there's no way to filter images, it doesn't seem practical.
- In short, if there's no query that needs to be executed, we don't need a category that holds that query's result set. Categories exist to meet needs, not to merely exist. For example, who needs to see all the TV show images? If you want to sell that, prove the need for the feature exists, or we're merely wasting time implementing a "feature" that has no purpose for its existence. --FeralKitty (talk) 06:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- Well, you're always talking about future proofing. Like I said, even if we use broad categories they can at least be of some use. We're already categorizing pinata vision images - players will use those to scan into their vision cam. so that category gets put into the Trouble in Paradise image category. since PVI is already in use, it's clear there has already been some utility for categorizing images. we can categorize images into categories using some of the above mentioned templates. At the beginning the templates would probably just put them into the parent category, but sub-image categories could be created as well. Different people like to browse content in different ways. Categorizing images seems like a best practice to me. The templates can also be used to create an infobox with a description of the image, author, etc., if we decide this is useful. As for your statement, you cannot run a query right now that will display all Trouble in Paradise images. The time to implement these templates is now - before the images are uploaded. We can set the mediaWiki so that during the upload, the player simply chooses the template that describes with the image is, and then it gets categorized as broadly or narrowly as we want, with the ability to definte it more narrowly down the road if we choose.–xenocidic (talk) 07:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Deprecating Template:PVI
It would probably be good to add something in here to replace the current Pinata Vision Image template. --Jimmcq 02:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- Done - see the topmost example. I've turned off the categorization for now, but it was working great. –xenocidic (talk) 11:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
How about moving to the Piñata Vision box to the top? Also, many of the images here could probably fall under Microsoft's Game Content Usage Rules for permission so we may want to include the notice: "[The title of your Item] was created under Microsoft’s “Game Content Usage Rules” using assets from GAMENAME, © Microsoft Corporation." --Jimmcq 23:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yep, I can make that the default permission. I'll move the PVI notice up as well. check out how we can preload the template for users: [1] –xenocidic (talk) 23:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- This is done, I made it a more generic statement because it was tough to parameterize it. I've moved this into templatespace as well, ahead of its implementation. Once this is given final approval, I'll start tagging existing images with it. Anything else you would like improved? –xenocidic (talk) 00:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see users filling out a list of parameters, or even using the values you want them to use. I think you have to give them a drop-down list, if you want a chance at reliably capturing consistent information. --FeralKitty (talk) 01:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- The other issue is that someone's either going to mangle the syntax and you'll get no Infobox at all, or they'll do something less amusing, like including other markup or template calls. --FeralKitty (talk) 02:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Drop down list would be great, unfortunately I have no idea how to get one sorted =) I'll poke around. –xenocidic (talk) 02:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- There isn't any easy way to add a drop down. Give people a little credit on figuring out syntax. I think we can start with adding it to existing images. --jimmcq 17:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- and we can of course just repair any jumbled input. I'll start rolling it out on the TIP and PP images, the Classic and PA images can happen later. did you figure out how to get the template preloaded? here is the code: http://pinataisland.info/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpUploadDescription={{File%20information%0A|description=%0A|game=%0A|platform=%0A|pinata_vision=%0A|type=%0A|date=%0A|source=%0A|permission=%0A}}. I just realized, we could probably design a wizard to have the user click thru a few steps and then it would provide them a preloaded template. –xenocidic (talk) 17:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC).
- There isn't any easy way to add a drop down. Give people a little credit on figuring out syntax. I think we can start with adding it to existing images. --jimmcq 17:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Drop down list would be great, unfortunately I have no idea how to get one sorted =) I'll poke around. –xenocidic (talk) 02:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- This is done, I made it a more generic statement because it was tough to parameterize it. I've moved this into templatespace as well, ahead of its implementation. Once this is given final approval, I'll start tagging existing images with it. Anything else you would like improved? –xenocidic (talk) 00:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Was this template, or the wizard, supposed to appear somehow/somewhere during the file upload process? I just got a blank summary box, with no wizard or even a template to fill in. --FeralKitty (talk) 17:37, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Yes but I don't know how to get that to happen. I think we need jimm to do some tweaking on the backend? –xenocidic (talk) 20:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Unbalanced divs
Looks like the closing divs aren't matching up. --FeralKitty (talk) 09:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
