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== Experimenting with a new layout ==
 
== Experimenting with a new layout ==
  
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This is a "sandbox" page for us to experiment with a new layout for Species information.  (I set it up as a new page, so an existing species such as the Whirlm wouldn't end up with hundreds of changes that don't represent new information for visitors.)  Currently, the layout does not use a template, to allow convenient previewing/changes.  Once the layout is done, we will migrate it to a template, and migrate other species over to the new design.
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This is a "sandbox" page for us to experiment with a new layout (e.g. tabs) for Species information.
  
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These changes are a rough draft of what we've been discussing on [[Talk:Mousemallow]] and [[Template talk:SpeciesInfobox]].  The changes won't be finalized until we actually can get to play the game, and ensure that the concepts we're presenting matches up with the actual gameplay.
 
  
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== Above-tab information ==
  
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'''Initial changes''':
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Since the descriptive text comes from the species' Journal article, it should probably be moved inside the tab so that each game can have its own blurb. --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 16:10, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
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*Added family tree section to show advanced species details.
 
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*Moved visit/reside requirements out of the infobox.
 
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*Added [[romance dance]] requirements.
 
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*Added Value and Rarity to the infobox.
 
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*Incorporated [[Housing|house]] pic and house cost into the infobox.
 
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*Removed 'Produces' from the infobox since it most likely isn't general to all species.
 
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*Added section for tips on keeping/making this species happy.
 
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*Added section for [[Food chain]]/[[Conflict]] details.
 
  
  
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'''Todo''':
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I was originally thinking that we should keep a generic description and picture above the tabs, but I could see where keeping those items platform-specific might be useful.  --[[User:Jimmcq|Jimmcq]] 16:36, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
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*Convert initial table to div container.
 
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*Figure out HR/float "z-indexish" conflict; get HR to stop at container margin.  Check [http://www.richinstyle.com/proposals/floatproposal.html] or [http://www.bigbaer.com/css_tutorials/css.float.html.tutorial.htm apple example].
 
  
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== Species Infobox ==
  
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'''Comments, suggestions, revisions welcome.''' --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 14:17, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
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The Infobox will need a bit of work to support the new features (e.g. tricks, three wildcards).  I'm thinking at this point that we could still use one template, and just omit parameters as needed, to only show what's relevant for each tab.
  
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My only "concern" at this point is the length of the Infobox.  On some existing species article, it currently takes up more vertical space than the text to the left of it.  While we ''might'' be able to use the side-by-side variant pics approach for 3 (very small) thumbnail WC pics, is there a point where it just becomes '''too''' long?  --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 16:10, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
  
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It looks good. Do we know if you can create your own pinatas for sure yet? -- [[User:Ramen|Ramen]] 14:15, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
 
  
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I like the idea of a single extensible species template.  Maybe we could move some information (like wild-card info) into the main contents rather than in the infobox?  --[[User:Jimmcq|Jimmcq]] 16:36, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
  
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Thanks.  Based on the information we've gotten from several sources that you can "specialize" in a species, it's likely that several families of animals have more advanced species.  We know that the [[Ponocky]] is either a "younger" [[Horstachio]], or can be turned into a Horstachio, and that the Horstachio can be turned into a [[Zumbug]].
 
  
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Obviously, the [[Mousezilla]] is fictional, and certainly couldn't be changed into an [[Elephanilla]].  --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 14:26, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
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== Appear video and arctic pics ==
  
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== Wow! ==
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*Added to the Infobox: Normal arctic pic, and appear video.
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*Added to the variant table: arctic variant methods/colors and pics.  The items are apparently the same, but the colors are different?
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*Added to the wildcard table: arctic wildcard pics.
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*Removed from the wildcard table: Description of "how" to get each trait.
  
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Looks great... This is very much what I was imagining the final version of the species pages might look like.  I would probably move the Requirements section above Species Development... and don't forget that at some point we'll want to have a small space for merchandise info (maybe with a picture of the toy/figurine or stats for the electronic game or whatever applies to that). --[[User:Jimmcq|Jimmcq]] 17:43, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
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Do we want the Infobox to be even longer than it is already, with the addition of one pic and/or one video?  It's already needing lots of whitespace to clear it on some pages (e.g., [[Pretztail]]).  One possibility is to move to a collapsed video section within the Infobox, so the pages can render faster, and visually be shorter.
  
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Do we need to show arctic pics at all, either for the normal arctic, variant arctics, or wildcard arctics?  It's great to see how different an arctic looks from its non-arctic cousin, but do we want the pics to be taking up space on the page, and/or slowing down the load/render time even further?
  
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Not what I had visualized...... better than I had!  I'll continue to search the site and think and if anything good hits me, I'll post it here.  Let's continue to expirment and when Jim gets back he can tweak it until he thinks it perfect(but it almost is perfect so I'm not sure there will be much to tweak).  Then once he's done we can migrate it to other species.
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I've got mixed feelings about this.  It's nice to be the be-all/end-all for species details, but at what point does the article get bloated, or justify further slowdowns to download more and more image and video content?  --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] ([[User_talk:FeralKitty|talk]]) 16:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
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--[[User:Spartan|Spartan]] 19:17, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
 
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Wait, what about nocturnal and sour versions?  Will we maintain the current format or should we look into changes for that?  Also for the Mozzipan and Buzzlegum we are going to put that they produce milk and honey under other info correct?
 
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--[[User:Spartan|Spartan]] 23:17, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
 
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Nocturnal is just a category tag.  Other than that, the information is the same.  For Sour, we just change the wording a little to describe that they need to be tamed.  We could also add a new heading for their (bad and good) behavior traits.  Yep, milk and honey go under ''Other Information''.  --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 23:48, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
 
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Hmmm, one would think that a behavioral pattern and traits wouldn't be possible in a videogame but on the 360, with the talented Rare guys and lots of money being invested in this game I think that from what we've seen that behavioral traits are something that each species would have and worth a section in each species page.  However, as pinatas might have comspicuous traits like a marshmellow being jittery and easily scared away and an Elephanilla being clumsy, there might be more subtle tendencies that certain pinatas have that may only be concluded from some time and expirence with that pinata in your garden.  Maybe the [[O.P.B.]]...  I may be reading too deeply into this but a list of good and bad traits seems like a must to me.
 
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--[[User:Spartan|Spartan]] 01:26, 20 October 2006 (EDT)
 
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I was speaking about a ''sour's'' good and bad habits.  While each of the species has their own personality (likes, dislikes, etc.), and I'm sure that Rare has done an excellent job at making them vibrant, dynamic critters that respond and interact based on their surroundings, I'd say the good and bad behavior traits are confined to the eight [[:Category:Sour|sour]] species.  If you wanted to write up personal descriptions of a species, similar to what you've done with the TV show plot synopses, I think it would fit in very well in the existing description area at the top.  --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 02:02, 20 October 2006 (EDT)
 
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Alright, I didn't know that sours had any redeeming qualities before being converted to a good pinata.  However I get where you are coming from and that sounds like a good idea as well.  I think I will right a little something on some of the species pages that already exist to get a fell for it.  BTW, I'm really behind on those plot synopses aren't I?
 
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--[[User:Spartan|Spartan]] 02:09, 20 October 2006 (EDT)
 
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Please, for the love of all that's good, don't make me spell out that a sour <u>species</u> has good and bad traits.  No one said anything about them having redeeming qualities before being tamed.  (Although I'm sure their mothers think they're wonderful :p)  Now go write something please -- and I '''don't''' mean to me :p -- so I can go off and game in peace :) --[[User:FeralKitty|FeralKitty]] 02:28, 20 October 2006 (EDT)
 
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Alright I get it.  I understand what you mean.  I'm off to bed.  And for the love of all that is good ''please'' don't be a hypocrite.  I'd explain, but I can't write you now, I'll tell you tomorrow.
 
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--[[User:Spartan|Spartan]] 02:37, 20 October 2006 (EDT)
 

Latest revision as of 09:54, 13 September 2008

Experimenting with a new layout

This is a "sandbox" page for us to experiment with a new layout (e.g. tabs) for Species information.


Above-tab information

Since the descriptive text comes from the species' Journal article, it should probably be moved inside the tab so that each game can have its own blurb. --FeralKitty 16:10, 14 May 2008 (EDT)


I was originally thinking that we should keep a generic description and picture above the tabs, but I could see where keeping those items platform-specific might be useful. --Jimmcq 16:36, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Species Infobox

The Infobox will need a bit of work to support the new features (e.g. tricks, three wildcards). I'm thinking at this point that we could still use one template, and just omit parameters as needed, to only show what's relevant for each tab.

My only "concern" at this point is the length of the Infobox. On some existing species article, it currently takes up more vertical space than the text to the left of it. While we might be able to use the side-by-side variant pics approach for 3 (very small) thumbnail WC pics, is there a point where it just becomes too long? --FeralKitty 16:10, 14 May 2008 (EDT)


I like the idea of a single extensible species template. Maybe we could move some information (like wild-card info) into the main contents rather than in the infobox? --Jimmcq 16:36, 14 May 2008 (EDT)


Appear video and arctic pics

  • Added to the Infobox: Normal arctic pic, and appear video.
  • Added to the variant table: arctic variant methods/colors and pics. The items are apparently the same, but the colors are different?
  • Added to the wildcard table: arctic wildcard pics.
  • Removed from the wildcard table: Description of "how" to get each trait.

Do we want the Infobox to be even longer than it is already, with the addition of one pic and/or one video? It's already needing lots of whitespace to clear it on some pages (e.g., Pretztail). One possibility is to move to a collapsed video section within the Infobox, so the pages can render faster, and visually be shorter.

Do we need to show arctic pics at all, either for the normal arctic, variant arctics, or wildcard arctics? It's great to see how different an arctic looks from its non-arctic cousin, but do we want the pics to be taking up space on the page, and/or slowing down the load/render time even further?

I've got mixed feelings about this. It's nice to be the be-all/end-all for species details, but at what point does the article get bloated, or justify further slowdowns to download more and more image and video content? --FeralKitty (talk) 16:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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