Talk:Langston's Destination Challenges

PV images?

Do you think we should have PV images for the accessorized pinatas in this list? –xenocidic (talk) 13:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you about the PVCs, but what do you think is the best way to list them? Chart form with small images or image links? --ImaTestWentBad 06:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC) Sorry, I forgot to mention something. I think that when you scan a PVC the pinata forgets the tricks it may have learned when captured. So if this is true, would it worth the trouble to make them? I still think it would be, but let me know what you all think. --ImaTestWentBad 06:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the tricks are an issue, but it's still faster to scan a varianted image with accessories, and merely teach it a trick, rather than buying/scanning a pinata, varianting it and/or loading it up with certain accessories, and then training it. I'd go with the chart form with small images. Although you generally don't want too many images on a page for various reasons, I think it's worth doing for this article.

The other change I'd suggest for this page, is to list the accessory that's unlocked for completing a country's challenges. --FeralKitty (talk) 07:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

That's funny that you just wrote that while I was adding the accessories. I thought about it while I was adding links to the respected pinatas, so it's already done. Now to add some images! --ImaTestWentBad 07:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Naming the challenges PVCs.

I know this question has already been answered by FK, but I can't seem to remember where the original question was asked. When naming these cards for the challenges, I would use the following format: PinataName-TroubleInParadise-Challenges-Region#country-PV.jpg? or should I omit one of those specifics. I don't want to have an outrageously long file name. Another question would be where do I place the [[Category:Piñata Vision image]] link by hand in the upload file wizard page? This will be my first PVCs with pinatas in them and I want them to also be in the gallery of pinata images. Do I just put it in the summary? I am confused by this simple little thing.--ImaTestWentBad 22:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd go with a short name, e.g., Lemmoning-TroubleInParadise-Russia-PV.jpg since I believe the species-country combination is unique. As for the upload, if you use the wizard, you don't have to add the category tag, as the wizard adds it for you. Click on the upload file link, and the wizard is at the top of the page. Answer the questions by clicking on the right response:

• Which video game is this media from? - Click show next to Trouble in Paradise.
• Is this a Piñata Vision image? - Click show next to Yes.
• What is the subject of the media? - Click "A species of pinata" or "A variant of pinata" as appropriate.

A partially-filled-in form will be created. Fill in the description, e.g., "A green Lemmoning with weather girl wig and bling teeth. Needs to learn one trick." --FeralKitty (talk) 01:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Concerns?

I posted some tables on this page but my concern is about how much I shrunk up the TOC for easy access. Shall I put back the sub-headers? It looks silly since there is already a centered name on each table. Maybe I should remove the name? --ImaTestWentBad 18:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's a good idea to put back the sub-headings, making it easier to navigate to them, as you mention. It's also a nice visual break between the list of unlocked accessories/items and the table that follows. (Headings also serve as anchors, if we needed to link from another article to a specific country.) If you think it looks better without a table caption, go for it. Table captions aren't required.

Thanks for all your hard work on this article! --FeralKitty (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

This article looks great! Good thing the elite chocs are almost gone, because this will make it a cinch to finish up this aspect of the game (yes, I know it's not strictly necessary).

There was discussion above about the tricks that are necessary to send the pinata. I suggest including a second PV card for whatever item will teach the pinata a trick. If you're right there scanning a PV card for the pinata and all you have to do is move the camera over to the other part of the screen paper to instantly have what you need for the trick, that's easier than calling Bart or whatever. Just my 2 cents. Lymaniii 22:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Hummm...Very interesting idea! Especially since I already made those cards for Bart's page! But do you think it would clutter up the nice clean page? I suppose if the next 2 columns were 100px sized also, then it would still look uniform. Only though, not all the pinatas need to learn tricks. I will test it in the future and see how it looks. It would be easier to get those achievements fast!!! --ImaTestWentBad 22:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't clutter up the tables with additional columns, especially since the columns wouldn't be applicable for most rows, as ImaTestWentBad mentions. Also, it would stretch the screen past 600px. If you had to add cards for tricks, I'd rather see them stacked vertically in the existing column.

IMO, I think we're merely complicating a simple article, by trying to fit too much into it. I think it's good to have a balanced article that covers what the majority of people need it to answer. Cramming more in just takes up real estate that most people have to gloss over/scroll past to hopefully find the details they're trying to discover, and that's not a good thing, because enough information gets overlooked as is. --FeralKitty (talk) 00:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I though it looked awful in chart/table form. Tried to get it to look good but no dice. It was a great idea though :)...Also, I was thinking that the tricks are just a mere click away. Since the species link is included in every challenge, I don't think I will include them. Now I only need the regular pinatas, without accessories, to complete. --ImaTestWentBad 05:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps a way to help without cluttering the page is to link the word "trick" each time directly to a PV image for what will teach the trick. In terms of "what the majority of people need" the article to answer, I think we're only dealing with our subjective opinions on that and my opinion is that most people would rather have PV cards to make it easy. The initial purpose of the article seemed more as a reference, but without much by way of clear benefit to someone working through the challenges. You might want to know which challenges will give you a particular accessory, but you still have to do them roughly in order and you have all the info for the challenge at the point that the option is available in the game itself. Now, on the other hand, imatest has made it a much more useful page by giving the actual PV card necessary to finish the challenges in short order, and I think that is far more useful and is the new primary purpose of the page.

I am still trying to figure out how I could do that, but I kinda put it on the back burner persay until those others PVCs come through on VP.com. The other concern for me is having the word trick having a different link each time. I don't feel comfortable having one word as many links. Not that I am trying to be a copout or lazy...I just don't want to confuse anyone, having the word trick linked to the bread image. Possibly, in the future, I could expand the descriptions with the actual trick trigger word in (parentheses) and link from there? Perhaps? I know one thing. I will be happy when I am done this page :P But everything can be improved somehow Thank you for giving me all these great ideas, Doc! It makes my brain work :)--ImaTestWentBad 18:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

In terms of page presentation, the relative value placed on presentation versus functionality under different circumstances is also sort of a subjective assessment. I'm very familiar with web design, but abysmally unfamiliar with wiki code, so while I can envision precisely how a page would serve all the purposes discussed while still being generally brief and nicely laid out, I have no idea how that would be coded. Short of doing some independent research, I'm happy to accept FeralKitty's recommendation for column width and thumbnail size, but it does seem a pity. FeralKitty, do you have access to the usage stats on the site? If only a minimal fraction of people are accessing the site via handhelds, that might be a good rationale to design the page for a typical monitor resolution and avoid giving accommodation that decreases usability for the majority in favor of a consistent appearance on handhelds. Lymaniii 17:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that I access the site frequently on my ipod touch, and it uses a full browser and looks just like a computer. I heart ipod touch. :-) Lymaniii 17:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)