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Lack of spaces in the image filenames tends to return no (or few) search results from the image namespace.

This is an advantage when not searching for PV cards, as you don't get tons of page title matches from PV card images. E.g., searching for seed would get two page title hits: Seed pouch and Seed cards.

Considering that most visitors aren't registered (and thus have no search preferences to include or exclude namespaces), and probably use the sidebar search box instead of the search page (with its namespace checkboxes), it's frankly not easy to find cards in the first place, via searching. (The main namespace is searched by default, but not the Image namespace.)

However, if you did want to find PV cards (and included the Image namespace), you still won't find any title matches if you searched for apple seed or arctic tigermisu, since these cards are titled AppleSeed... or ArcticTigermisu... .

Frankly, I screwed up with the naming convention, and we probably should have used spaces for the item name, e.g., Image:Apple seed-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg, to make it easier when searching images.

We could switch naming conventions mid-stream, and end up with a mix of filenames, which would affect sorting a bit (separating spaced names from older non-spaced names for a species):

Arctic Kittyfloss...

Arctic Tigermisu...

...

ArcticKittyfloss...

I'm just tossing this issue out there, and don't know if there are other pros or cons to fixing searches for PV cards.

Approaches

PV icon

Requires upgrade to 1.14 to work.

Can be used in many places to add a link to a card, however it's not necessarily intuitive that it's clickable. A user would have to hover over it to see that it's a clickable link.

In-table, such as the General Store, transformation, or list of concept art articles:

Picture #	Picture type
1/139	Raisant

Inline, such as from species articles:

Feeding it a banana split changes its color to yellow.

Dynamic Page List (DPL)

Present a list in a collapsible table. There's some overhead to dynamically generate these lists, and it's not certain what, if any, impact there would be from popular articles. The advantage is that relevant cards, once categorized so DPL can look them up, can be shown at an article, so you could see (links to) all Kittyfloss cards at the Kittyfloss article, all trick stick cards at the trick stick article, all weather cards at the weather article, etc.

The example is a bit contrived, but shows that there could be lots of different relevant cards, making the list itself a bit unwieldy to "navigate."

Note that subgarden species have their own cards, e.g., Mate Cutscene zz1snowrabbit, zz2sandant. Sours (and different Flutterscotch colors) also have their own cards, e.g., Appear Cutscene crowpest, blackbutterfly. Blackariant zz1lemmingpest. UnlockArt bluebutterfly.

Do we group all in one DPL, or have 2 or 3 separate DPLs on an article?

By hand

Simplify, by excluding cards already shown at article. Hides image names, organizes cards by type.

Special cases include the Flutterscotches, where each color may have their own type of card. By hand per color?

Hybrid

Have links to a few (e.g., 3) of the more popular cards on the species page, with a More... link to another page where visitors could see all the cards for that species. That page could be DPL, a category, or a navigation or topic article.

Black variant · Sky-blue-pink variant · Unlock concept art · More...

It lets (species) article visitors know about other cards, while minimizing overhead -- e.g., DPL query moved off the species page -- or cramming more content into the longish species articles. Species articles remain static once 3 popular cards are there, so n species articles don't have to be maintained by hand each time new cards are released.

Transclude (from PV NS?)

Since the results are "static," result sets could live in other articles, and be transcluded in topic articles:

Kittyfloss cards, Sour Kittyfloss cards, Arctic Kittyfloss cards

{{:Kittyfloss cards}} {{:Arctic Kittyfloss cards}}

Pros:

• Avoid DPL
• Avoid adding lots of new categories to support DPL or navigation
• Result sets get categorized as articles themselves, and become the basis for topical navigation.
• Save having to categorize hundreds of existing/new images.

Cons:

• Result sets can't be anything more than a result set.
• PV category tree becomes flattened.
• Only supports navigation by "set," but is equivalent to sub-category articles, however, there is no equivalent to "These are the articles in the category."
• Maintained by hand.

Variations on this - Turn the result sets into proper articles, then transclude the article as its own PV card tab. Downside is that the DL for the species article is even bigger -- more content, more images(?) -- and we're delivering even more content that the visitor may not need/be interested in.

Non-card-specific approaches

Section headings

Many items (e.g., junk props, test candy) are PV-exclusive, and can't be bought in the General Store.

We should lead those sections with some note to see the navigation article for more items. (Wording to be determined.)

Infobox headings

Possibly change Housing to Housing cards, and Romance dance to Romance dance cards?

Hover boxes could present details, such as PV card, availability level, cost, method to obtain, etc. This could keep PV images, Journal descriptions, and other-article details off an article itself, yet easily available without having to navigate elsewhere.

Chili Chilies share their color with fire engines. The engine is famous for stopping fires, while the chili will start one in the mouth of anything that is brave or foolish enough to eat it. Availability Buy a chili, General Store at level 11, 500 cc. Plant a chili seed, General Store at level 11, 22 cc. Hire Bart to tinker a Jeli.

One possibility is to think how articles could be reorganized to support a popup gadget approach.

Types of cards, the (shorter navigation) articles they'd be browsed from, and their longer topic (or relevant) articles they'd also be accessible from.

The article names are a bit arbitrary at this point, and may change slightly from internal descriptions to more familiar terms.

Also, there are distinctions for some items that differ between card types and wiki categories, e.g., fruits, vegetables, produce, tinkered items. Need to check this, and determine how these cards should be grouped for navigation.

We're possibly missing more granular navigation for popular items. Black pinatas, although a sub-topic/sub-category of variants, may deserve their own topic article and navigation. Other ways to handle groups of items within a type include subheadings within (large) navigation articles. Props is a good example, and junk items a popular type of props.

Since many new cards are PV-exclusive, and their items can't be bought in-game, those items couldn't be shown/linked in shop tables, but would only be found on their navigation articles.

Finally, unsupported/test items deserve a clear warning on their navigation or image article topics. Is it necessary to navigate unsupported items? Test candy belongs with the candy cards, but should we have an Unsupported cards topic/category also? Use ImaTest's idea of -Unsupported in image name.

What about no-op cards (cards that ImaTest mentions that don't appear to do anything)? Examples are appear cutscenes for Dragonache, and evolved species; concept art cards for different Flutterscotch colors. BIGsheep says they're duds. Might be nice to add a category and/or template for these cards, so visitors can see from the image article, that a card doesn't work. Name suggestions?

Estimated number of cards

0088 non-sour species
0009 more Flutterscotch colors
0005 arctic versions - Bunnycomb · Hootyfruity · Juicygoose · Pretztail · Tigermisu
0005 desert versions - Arocknid · Buzzenge · Limeoceros · Raisant · Syrupent
0012 sour versions
0119 species

0303 normal variants - (88 non-sours + 10 arctic/desert) x 3 variant + 9 Flutterscotch colors
0119 black variants
1078 other variants - (88+10) x 11 other variants
1500

0196 tricks - (88 non-sours + 10 arctic/desert) x 2 tricks
0047 plants

^kAny candy (e.g., happy, joy, romance, golf), including life sweets and unsupported test sweets.
^mDecorative items. (Mostly not interactive?) Not toys (e.g., trains) or paving.
ⁿProduce from a pinata (e.g., milk), from transformation, from the mine, or from the General Store (i.e., bone, red bone). Not fruit.
^oTrees and bushes for certain. Regroup as plant cards.
^pFlowers and weeds for certain, and probably vegetable plants also. Definitely not bushes or trees. Regroup as plant cards.
^sPinata homes, and special buildings (e.g., honey hive, mine).
^tProduce (e.g., blue gem, coconut) from bushes or trees.

Orphan cards

Cards that might not fit into a proposed category. All cards should be categorized.

• Terrain (5 cards)
• Themes - (species)
• Holidays - (species)

VivaPinata.com (searchable) organization

• Species
• Species - variant
• Species - wildcard
• Species - variant wildcard
• Helpers
• Homes
• Eggs
• Etc - Improvements (fences, gates, other props, toys, paving, etc.)
• Etc - Greenery (Fruit, produce, vegetables, tinkered items, plants, seeds, etc.)
• Etc - Candy (Life sweets, other sweets -- joy, golf, romance, etc.)

Category names are still tentative. Final names will be found on Types of cards tab.

Usual categorization applies. E.g., a black variant card would be in black variants, but not (also) in variants.

Example 1 - Less depth

Omit categories that only contain sub-categories (i.e., Cutscene cards, Trick cards). Fruits and Vegetables at same depth as Produce.

• Pinata Vision cards (24 C, 1 P)
  • Appear cutscene cards (1 P, 119 F)
  • Concept art cards (1 P, 109 F)
  • Egg cards (1 P, 88 F)
  • Fruit cards (1 P, 18 F)
  • Home cards (1 P, 100 F)
  • Learn trick cards (1 P, 196 F)
  • Paving cards (1 P, 29 F)
  • Perform trick cards (1 P, 196 F)
  • Plant cards (1 P, 47 F)
  • Produce cards (1 P, 49 F)
  • Prop cards (1 C, 1 P, 77 F)
    • Junk cards (1 P, 10 F)
  • Romance dance cards (1 P, 105 F)
  • Ruffian cards (1 P, 1 F)
  • Seed cards (1 P, 47 F)
  • Sour cards (1 P, 19 F)
  • Species cards (88C, 1 P)
    • Arocknid cards (1 P, ? F)
    • Badgesicle cards (1 P, ? F)
    • ...
  • Sweet cards (1 P, 104 F)
  • Time warp cards (1 P, 2 F)
  • Toy cards (1 P, 23 F)
  • Trick stick cards (1 P, 6 F)
  • Unsupported cards (1P, ? F)
  • Variant cards (2 C, 1 P, 303 F)
    • Black variant cards (1 P, 119 F)
    • Other variant cards (1 P, 1078 F)
  • Vegetable cards (1 P, 9 F)
  • Weather cards (1 P, 7 F)

Example 2 - More depth

Group common categories under a parent category (i.e., Cutscene cards, Trick cards). Fruits and Vegetables are types of Produce.

• Pinata Vision cards (20 C, 1 P)
  • Concept art cards (1 P, 109 F)
  • Cutscene cards (2 C, 1 P)
    • Appear cutscene cards (1 P, 119 F)
    • Romance dance cards (1 P, 105 F)
  • Egg cards (1 P, 88 F)
  • Home cards (1 P, 100 F)
  • Paving cards (1 P, 29 F)
  • Plant cards (1 P, 47 F)
  • Produce cards (2 C, 1 P, 49 F)
    • Fruit cards (1 P, 18 F)
    • Vegetable cards (1 P, 9 F)
  • Prop cards (1 C, 1 P, 77 F)
    • Junk cards (1 P, 10 F)
  • Ruffian cards (1 P, 1 F)
  • Seed cards (1 P, 47 F)
  • Sour cards (1 P, 19 F)
  • Species cards (88C, 1 P)
    • Arocknid cards (1 P, ? F)
    • Badgesicle cards (1 P, ? F)
    • ...
  • Sweet cards (1 P, 104 F)
  • Time warp cards (1 P, 2 F)
  • Toy cards (1 P, 23 F)
  • Trick cards (2 C, 1 P)
    • Learn trick cards (1 P, 196 F)
    • Perform trick cards (1 P, 196 F)
  • Trick stick cards (1 P, 6 F)
  • Unsupported cards (1P, ? F)
  • Variant cards (2 C, 1 P, 303 F)
    • Black variant cards (1 P, 119 F)
    • Other variant cards (1 P, 1078 F)
  • Weather cards (1 P, 7 F)