Whats the chance of getting a wc or twins?

[RedeemerEric]

An answer for this question has been added to the wiki's Wild-card article.


How many times do people have to breed usually to get a wc or twins?
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[Zap657]

Well, most WC's are romanced before people get to 1000, though there have been some more than that.

There has been a lot of speculation at the chances, but I have concluded that in the end, just believe leafos, the odds really are 1/1,000,000

[DragonacheKing99]

I don't think the odds are 1/1,000,000 at all there probably somewhere around 1/1000 give or take a few hundred. If the odds were 1/100,000,000 then a lot more people would be over 1000 romances before getting a WC. Actually most of the WC's this forum has gotten have been under 300 so if the odds are 1/1,000,000 then we must be lucky. Marukai got 2 wc whirlms at under 100, Thumpzilla got a WC galagoogoo on the first romance, it seems though like 1000 is a median, but it could be even lower. However 1/1,000,000 would be absurd. Wait were you kidding?

[dragonacher]

yea cuz im on 700 whirlms (:( )
and no wc :p

[Zap657]

Well, it's somewhere in the middle of 1/1000 and 1/1,000,000, I got my WC galagoogoo on #82, yet I have 1150 crowlas. But when you think about it, it actually makes sense, I had done 1150 crowlas, plus romanced at least 7 of every species for master romancer, then you have to factor in every romance I've ever done in the game, and then you add 82. The odds may be close 1/1,000,000.

[Kawigi]

Or about 2000, whichever is smaller ;-)

Edit: Just to be clear, if the odds were really 1 in 1000000, then about 1 in 100 people who did 10,000 romances would have a wildcard. I tend to think there are people who have done 10,000 romances in the game, but that they are relatively few.

[kittisbat]

Ok, what about twins then? Do they come in two diffrent eggs or one? Oh, and their chances too please.

P.S.
I think the chances for WC pinatas depend on the pinata species.

[Kawigi]

With twins, we don't know what the chances are. Actually, I don't think we've seen cold hard proof of non-whirlm twins :-) They come out of the same egg.

P.S. - Rare's developers have fairly explicitly stated that every species has a wildcard and that the odds per egg are the same on all of them.

[DragonacheKing99]

but some are easier to romance and stuff, and will BIGsheep ever tell us any exact odds on WC's or twins?

[MasterCheif117]

1500-2100 that sums it up

[BIGsheep]

but some are easier to romance and stuff, and will BIGsheep ever tell us any exact odds on WC's or twins?Not in the near future, but I can assure you that they are both definitely less than 1-in-a-million... unless you're talking about a WC twin.

[princess266]

are WC twins possible?!?!?

[SD rulez]

its around 1/1000, I got my eaglair at 143, that was just lucky. but other people go for THOUSANDS of romances and don't get anything.

[jazziefox]

What you need to remember is that the chance is, for arguments sake, 1/1,000 for every single egg, so the number of times you breed really doesn't mean anything, since every egg has the same 1/1,000 chance.

[Edit]:
What I mean is, the odds don't become smaller with each egg you hatch, they stay the same.

"Million to one chances happen nine times out of ten"- Terry Pratchett

[angelmouse]

Hey thought i could shed some light on this.

If each romance is independant when trying for wildcards, (i.e it doesn't matter how many times they have been romanced before or their age wether varient or not etc), then according to probability theory the statistical distribution for this is a Geometrical Distribution, (i think, probability theory is a little rusty!).

This has the following density distibution

= ((1-p)^(k-1))p

where p is the probability and k is the trail number or romance number.

Now, for arguments sake, the odds of getting a wc is 1 in 1000, ie 1/1000, so the probability of hitting it on your first romance is equal to 0.1%.

This would mean that the expectation or result (i.e mean) is 1000 romances.

it has the following cumulative function

=1-(1-p)^k

and again with probability 1/1000 would mean that the probability of hitting a wc on your first 100 romances would be 9.5%, 200 = 18.1%, 300 = 25.9%, 1000 = 63.2%, 2000 = 86.5%, etc.

Now if the odds were 1 in a million, getting a wc in your first 100 romances would be 0.01% and it would mean people could be romancing for millions apon millions of times with no wc! (prob is hitting one in your first 2 million romances is only 86.3%).

I don't think 1/1000 is correct, but it is as good a guess as any. I think it's a little higher, but not by much. With the exact number of romances it took for several different wc to appear you can work out the odd using similar probability theory and statistical tests to check, but it's a lot of work!

I'm still trying for my first one and i'm on 120 romances and i'm now so bored of it i just wish i would get one! If you hit it on your first go then you must have been having a very very lucky day.

Hope that helped shed some light on it all.

[BIGsheep]

It's too early for maths. :)

[An Insane Guy]

I think its something a lot lower than 1/1000. The reason BIGsheep won't tell us is because he says he doesn't want to see post saying "I romancedx and didn't get a WC!PL0x g1v3 meh 1!!!". So, it has to be much lower than we think. Maybe 1/300 or 1/500 or even 1/750 . I think it is definately lower than 1/1000, or he wouldn't of said that he didn't want to see posts about not getting one...

[mad_mongoose178]

I'm currently experimenting with the possible outcomes, if anyone would like to help then please do. So far I'm creating 3 new accounts, working on each for about a week each. My conclusions may be that it's very possible to get wc's and twins under specific conditions. Yet unfortunately I'm unsuccessful so far. It could be my theory is wrong, so please try not to criticize me too much but a little is fine with me.

So if you believe I may have a point or if you have some hints then please tell me. Thanks,

mad_mongoose178


P.S.

I probably sound like a n00b but you can't blame me for trying to find an easier way to get a wc or a twin. ;)

[An Insane Guy]

I'm currently experimenting with the possible outcomes, if anyone would like to help then please do. So far I'm creating 3 new accounts, working on each for about a week each. My conclusions may be that it's very possible to get wc's and twins under specific conditions. Yet unfortunately I'm unsuccessful so far. It could be my theory is wrong, so please try not to criticize me too much but a little is fine with me.

So if you believe I may have a point or if you have some hints then please tell me. Thanks,

mad_mongoose178


P.S.

I probably sound like a n00b but you can't blame me for trying to find an easier way to get a wc or a twin. ;)

There's no forumla. It's complete luck. I don't know if you know this or not, but you canonly get twin whirlms because of a glitch.

[mcnugget13]

I'm currently experimenting with the possible outcomes, if anyone would like to help then please do. So far I'm creating 3 new accounts, working on each for about a week each. My conclusions may be that it's very possible to get wc's and twins under specific conditions. Yet unfortunately I'm unsuccessful so far. It could be my theory is wrong, so please try not to criticize me too much but a little is fine with me.

So if you believe I may have a point or if you have some hints then please tell me. Thanks,

mad_mongoose178


P.S.

I probably sound like a n00b but you can't blame me for trying to find an easier way to get a wc or a twin. ;)


I rememver in VPF some guy tried this he said like haching eggs in water in the day or night in lonk grass or short but of course some one form rare explained that a WC is random and the only way to increase your chances are if you have a WC parent

[An Insane Guy]

I rememver in VPF some guy

What is VPF? Jnin was talking about it oo. Never heard ofit.

[FeralKitty]

VPF is the (old) Viva Pinata Forum. It's not around anymore.

[buzzenge444]

every pinata does have a wild card. The Eglair has one but it doesnt change its features, due to a mishap in the making of VP

[SD rulez]

I think it is around 1/1000. But that's me.

[buzzenge444]

everyone says that the odds or 1/1000 so we should leave it at that. Unless BigSheep says otherwise.....;)

[An Insane Guy]

everyone says that the odds or 1/1000 so we should leave it at that. Unless BigSheep says otherwise.....;)

#1. We shouldn't leave it at anything until we have confirmaion
#2. It's probably higher than 1:1000. Ayla hatched over 10,000 eggs before getting her first WC. I know each one is independent, but theoretically, she would of hatched 10, which means she should of hatched at least 2 in that time. It's atleast 1:2000 or 1:300 or even higher.
#3. BIGsheep will probably never tell us, and if he does, it will not be anytime soon.

[SD rulez]

True, I'm betting it's over 1/1000 now that I think about it. I mean, think of how many romances people on these forums have done compared to the number of WC's. Certainly way less than one WC for every 1000 romances.

[buzzenge444]

good point:confused:

[BIGsheep]

People have to remember that it's not just the eggs from the species they are trying for they have to count, it's every single egg you've ever had in your garden.

[mcnugget13]

So like all of the eggs you have had in any garden added together is the total of the eggs you have romanced correct?

[buzzenge444]

I dont' get it. What do you mean BigSheep

[BIGsheep]

So like all of the eggs you have had in any garden added together is the total of the eggs you have romanced correct?

Correct. From the way some people write, it appears as though they think that just the 700 or so eggs they've romanced for a Barkbark count, forgetting they've also masterbred everything else in the game which adds at least another 300 or so to their count.

[ImaTestWentBad]

I am guessing the odds of a WC are about the 1/1000 like everyone has said. Since I'm a big whirlm fan, I have bred about 2000 in total. I don't know the entire eggs hatched by all pinatas in all my gardens though. So far, I have no WC at all, but have hatched three sets of twins. Hopefully, with the Harmon and Karen project, I'll finally have better odds of a WC whirlm. :D

[Crazy_Cow]

Correct. From the way some people write, it appears as though they think that just the 700 or so eggs they've romanced for a Barkbark count, forgetting they've also masterbred everything else in the game which adds at least another 300 or so to their count.

So, do you add all the eggs up in the one garden your playing or in every single garden you have ever made? :P

[Kawigi]

Every garden in every game you've played, preferrably :-)

[BIGsheep]

Basically, if you've hatched an egg anywhere, in any garden, in any state, for any species, at any time of day, on any copy of VP, even accidentally, no matter where you are in the world, it counts.

[ImaTestWentBad]

Ahhhh...now I see. That's a lot of eggs. One great big Pinata egg salad. Awwww...not nice lol

[chessman9111]

how do u get twins??????????:mad: :mad: :mad:

[FeralKitty]

Check out the wiki's Twins article for plenty of answers! :)

[masterchief2263]

i got twins on my 24th try and im on 450 ( no wild card yet tho )

[underdog2000]

how long did it take u to get a wc im trying to get a wc whirlm because i have 146 whirlms

[geo12301]

I got my WC Quackberry on #596,lucky me,I didnt go pass 1000.

[Zap657]

For one thing, why is this in "trade over xbox live"?

It took me 1250 crowlas + master romancer for every species + around 85 galagoogoos + some other romances = WC

[An Insane Guy]

Well, I got mine at around 1,000 eggs, but my Sherbat was #3. I've now hatched around 5,000 eggs since then and have yet to get another.

[chipmunksaremybiz]

I think mine was like 90 something I didn't go pass 100.

[geo12301]

I think mine was like 90 something I didn't go pass 100.

That's being really lucky to get it under 100 romances.

[Kawigi]

I think he's referring just to chewnicorn eggs.

If I understand right, actually, his case is especially cool, because he hatched his wild-card while breeding chewnicorns to give to someone who asked for them on the Xbox forums.

I've been playing this game since February (and essentially not playing anything else), I've passed 1500 days in my gardens, and I've bred somewhere around 3000 pinatas (about half of which have been chewnicorns). I still have never hatched a wild-card. Luckily, this hasn't prevented me from owning a couple :-)

[LiveSlappNutz]

Mine was around 2500. I have romanced 1500 whirlms + almost all master romances + 800 Fizzlybears and it was #97 of my Galagoogoos. I have romanced over 7500 more since then w/o another WC though.

~LSN~

[buzzenge444]

i have romanced over 400 buzzenges (I think) yet still no WC :(

[DragonacheKing99]

Mine was around 2500. I have romanced 1500 whirlms + almost all master romances + 800 Fizzlybears and it was #97 of my Galagoogoos. I have romanced over 7500 more since then w/o another WC though.

~LSN~

Ahh the irony of getting a WC Galagoogoo in under 100 romances with them, and now no WC with a ton more romances.

I myself have romanced a good amount. Mostly with WC parents, but no WCs yet. I'm thinking of having my next WC hunts be my fave 4 WCs (Cocoadile, Quackberry, Chippo, and Galagoogoo) but hopefully I'll win the How does your garden grow competition to help a bit...

[dragonache55632]

i had this game since july 6th and today i actually just got 3 wild-card mallowolfs i just tamed 1 today

[LiveSlappNutz]

i had this game since july 6th and today i actually just got 3 wild-card mallowolfs i just tamed 1 today

Huh?

~LSN~

[Kawigi]

i had this game since july 6th and today i actually just got 3 wild-card mallowolfs i just tamed 1 today

And are you sure they're all wild-cards (like you got the popup from leafos saying they are), or are you just going by what they look like?

[LiveSlappNutz]

And are you sure they're all wild-cards (like you got the popup from leafos saying they are), or are you just going by what they look like?

I think he thinks we are talking about "wild" pinatas since he said he tamed 1 today.

~LSN~

[!!!M.D!!!]

i havent started my wild-card hunt yet ^_^ but when i gt all rewards for evry pinata i will try to get one just for this website and ther wild card thing :) so all wild cards can stay togetha

[!!!M.D!!!]

250-810 i think :) dono why just seems to fit

[Crazy_Cow]

Question:

Do you add up all the eggs in the one garden your playing in or AL of the garden's you have ever had?

[Kawigi]

Question:

Do you add up all the eggs in the one garden your playing in or AL of the garden's you have ever had?

You are free to add up whatever eggs you want :-)

If you're trying to estimate the odds of hatching a wild-card based on personal experience, you should try to consider every egg you've ever hatched.

[Crazy_Cow]

Ok, thanks ^^ So that means I should be close to a wild-card - hopfully- (I know its random but I must have hatched over a thousand eggs in all my gardens added up)

[Kawigi]

Ok, thanks ^^ So that means I should be close to a wild-card - hopfully- (I know its random but I must have hatched over a thousand eggs in all my gardens added up)

Yes, the technical problem is that until you hatch one, you're never any closer to hatching one :-) I'm still trying to hatch one for myself, and I'd be a wimp to complain at my 3000-3500 or so total romances so far.

[An Insane Guy]

Yes, the technical problem is that until you hatch one, you're never any closer to hatching one :-) I'm still trying to hatch one for myself, and I'd be a wimp to complain at my 3000-3500 or so total romances so far.

You indeed would be. I hatched my 7,000th Goobaa yesterday and I'm probably around 10,500 eggs and only 1 WC... :eek:

[FeralKitty]

You indeed would be. I hatched my 7,000th Goobaa yesterday and I'm probably around 10,500 eggs and only 1 WC... :eek:

I hate to mention this sad detail, but technically you're 2 for 10,500, since you have to count the 'splody one when your garden was full and you got the WC popup.

[Crazy_Cow]

Yes, the technical problem is that until you hatch one, you're never any closer to hatching one :-) I'm still trying to hatch one for myself, and I'd be a wimp to complain at my 3000-3500 or so total romances so far.

Oh xD Ok then :P They really are rare then.

[Crazy_Cow]

I hate to mention this sad detail, but technically you're 2 for 10,500, since you have to count the 'splody one when your garden was full and you got the WC popup.


Splody one?

[taneer]

everyone is saying that you can only get twin whirlms. but i think i've actually gotten twin zumbugs. storkos kept sending me eggs after i stopped romancing. (glitch maybe?)

[FeralKitty]

Nope, not a glitch, and not twin Zumbugs. Everyone/the wiki is right. You can only get twin Whirlms.

The reason Storkos keeps sending you eggs, is because she can only deliver one at a time, and she's got a backlog of deliveries. In other words, you romanced faster than she could bring them.

BTW, getting 2 eggs is not twins. Getting 2 (Whirlm) pinatas from 1 egg is twins.

[Crazy_Cow]

I'm sorry if this has been asked before but Ive looked in almost all the posts and not found the answer. If both the parents are normal pinata's and they make and egg then the chances (what Ive been told) are one in something around a thousand? I would like to know the odds of getting a wc if the parent or both parents are wc's =)

[Kalebknecht]

Well, it definatly increses the chances. But I'm not sure how high.

[taneer]

nopne knows but a poll has brought out odds of about 1 in 4100 if they're normal and my estimate would be a 25% improvement if you have a wildcard parent and 50% if you have 2. (total guess though)

[FeralKitty]

I'd say that total guess is way off. Even though none of us know the actual odds (either with or without wildcard parents), I think there's only been one post here about a wildcard that was hatched from wildcard parents, in tens of thousands of wildcard parent romances, making the odds only slightly better.

[heathermariepunx]

what does a wc and twins look like?

[BIGsheep]

The twin looks exactly like a normal Whirlm but two hatch from the same egg.

The Wildcard, however, has spines down its back (http://pinataisland.info/viva/Wildcard)(scroll to the bottom).

[love me]

i dont have any twins!! of wirlms i have 1,816 of theme no twins or wild-card

[adam20692]

do you have to wait for the pinata to mature before it becomesa WC

[BIGsheep]

No, it will hatch out straight away as one.

[conorlord]

how come only the rare devolepers know the exacty proability of a WC and why wont they tell us?

[OmniMaster]

They could be keeping it a suprise.

[kirbypalua]

They might also want to keep it a secret. ^.^

[monkeylord]

Well from wat Bigsheep has told us im gunna have to romance a lot more rashberrys

[Antivenger]

I got wildcard pinatas every time I romance a species with more than 6 pinatas
and wildcard twins every time I romanced wildcard pinatas. Actually, whenever I'm short on coins I just do a quick whirlm romance game and sell the twins for 3000+ (I've only romanced whirlms and raisants past 6 however)

[deniedheaven]

Are you talking about the first VP or VP:TIP? Because it was a lot harder to do in the first VP :) and in TIP you do get WCs after 6 residents

[gidders42095]

all you need to do is follow the instructions.... get all the hearts on max difficulty and bbbbaaaaammm you have a wildcard :):p

[Irishnut]

hmm this is pretty interesting, I think I have so far 5 master romancer maybe 6 (TIP) as I have been working mostly to get that dang tower of sour done to get those out of the way (just finished that) but ... I got 1 set of twins (can't recall the specie) and I think 3 wild cards (they are the ones that have a star and when you finish the mini game you get an announcement that they are special?)

anyway I got the wild cards on the last round of breeding needed each time in almost all the ones I romanced it was the #7 baby (oddly enough) I think the twins were Syrupants (I know that is spelled wrong)

[Pinatagirl]

Hey,

I got my first wildcard pinata today!

I read somewhere you are more likely to get a wildcard if one of the parents is a wildcard too.

I scanned a wildcard Moozipan (from this website) and Master Romanced it with a normal Moozipan. When I got to baby 6 or 7 I was given the option of collection all the flashing hearts to get a wildcard. After several attempts, I collected all the hearts.

My wildcard pinata baby had the same traits as the parent....but I got the achievment, so Im happy.

xxx

[ElectricWinds]

The best chance of getting wilcards and/or twins is collecting all the flashing hearts when your about to get 7th pinata of that species!

I Get TONS of wilcards, But only when i go nuts on the romancing series!!!

all you need to do is follow the instructions.... get all the hearts on max difficulty and bbbbaaaaammm you have a wildcard :):p

Not exactly! because simpy you might not see "Wildcard bonus" just "Twin bonus"

[FeralKitty]

Keep in mind that this thread is really about the chances of getting wildcards in Viva Pinata: Classic (http://www.pinataisland.info/viva/Viva_Pi%C3%B1ata:_Classic).

There are several different VP games now, and each one is different in terms of wildcards (http://www.pinataisland.info/viva/Wild-card). Instead of just posting methods that only apply to one specific game, it's better to link to the wiki article, where details can be found for each game.

[Serel]

Oh, it's VP classic. I was wondering about why everyone said that you can only get twin Whirlms, since that glitch isn't in TIP.

[pokecoop]

I've got twin bunnycombs

[SupaBrad]

I got twins....which are wildcards.... they were sweetles, they had funny ears. i didnt realise how valuable they were so i sold them...for alot. i cant remember how much for now. to be honest that was a few weeks ago and i have only now realised how valuable they were (lol)

[FeralKitty]

I got twins....which are wildcards.... they were sweetles, they had funny ears. i didnt realise how valuable they were so i sold them...for alot. i cant remember how much for now. to be honest that was a few weeks ago and i have only now realised how valuable they were (lol)
Congrats.

This four-year-old thread is about Viva Pinata Classic, when twins were rare, and wildcard twins had never been found.

In Trouble in Paradise, it's no longer chance-based but skill-based. The developers have made it much easier for anyone to get twins or wildcard twins.

I don't think we'll ever learn what the actual Classic chance is, of getting a wildcard or twins.